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	<title>Comments on: Gear Review &#8211; Zildjian Pitch Black Cymbals</title>
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		<title>By: campingstoves</title>
		<link>http://drummertalk.org/2008/08/11/review-zildjian-pitch-black-cymbals/comment-page-1/#comment-3837</link>
		<dc:creator>campingstoves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 13:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Henryhill drummer</title>
		<link>http://drummertalk.org/2008/08/11/review-zildjian-pitch-black-cymbals/comment-page-1/#comment-3796</link>
		<dc:creator>Henryhill drummer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 03:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>these cymbals are amazing and loud. I can get so many different sounds out of each one. I have the 15&#039;&#039; hihats 13&#039;&#039; splash. 16&#039;&#039; and 18&#039;&#039; crash 20&#039;&#039; crash/ride 22&#039;&#039;ride they serve my needs as a drummer. the coating does chip but it just makes them brighter sounding. give em a try you will be pleased</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>these cymbals are amazing and loud. I can get so many different sounds out of each one. I have the 15&#8221; hihats 13&#8221; splash. 16&#8221; and 18&#8221; crash 20&#8221; crash/ride 22&#8221;ride they serve my needs as a drummer. the coating does chip but it just makes them brighter sounding. give em a try you will be pleased</p>
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		<title>By: Pyker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pyker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey all, 

having just read all the reviews, it&#039;s apparent that some of you have not actually sat down and played these cymbals yet...I have over 25 yrs of road experience and also some studio time under my belt and here&#039;s what I&#039;ve come to learn about the pitch black series after buying several:
1 - for the most part, yes, you do need to whack the *@!$ out of them to get them to open up properly, which, depending on your style of music and setting, is not an altogether bad thing. So for those of you who do not play rock, metal, punk, etc, just because they don&#039;t fit your style of music doesn&#039;t make them crap.
2 - the hats (both sizes) are figgin amazing. Tight, crisp and controllable. Very close to my A Customs of past...
3 - while the blackcoating is not chip-proof, it does look great and adds some visual uniqueness to a set.  I&#039;ve had many comments from other musicians and also fans on the look of mine. What I think is the coolest thing about the look is that on a dark stage, you can barely notice them, until the band kicks in and I start playing...childish, yes, but that&#039;s just me being a guy, lol
4 -  for the price point of these pieces of bronze/tin, you can beat the cost-to-performance ratio. Granted, they&#039;re not A Customs (which have to be my favourite general-purpose cymbals).but like I said, for the right kind of setting, these are an economical and viable alternative to the more expensive Z Customs...

As drummers and musicians, we need to keep in mind that just because something doesn&#039;t work for us in our own setting or application, doesn&#039;t make it a bad product. That&#039;s why Zildjian offers so many varieties - something for everyone.  I like to keep an open mind when looking at or playing a new piece of gear, and so far that attitude has served me very well in my career. Rock on!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey all, </p>
<p>having just read all the reviews, it&#8217;s apparent that some of you have not actually sat down and played these cymbals yet&#8230;I have over 25 yrs of road experience and also some studio time under my belt and here&#8217;s what I&#8217;ve come to learn about the pitch black series after buying several:<br />
1 &#8211; for the most part, yes, you do need to whack the *@!$ out of them to get them to open up properly, which, depending on your style of music and setting, is not an altogether bad thing. So for those of you who do not play rock, metal, punk, etc, just because they don&#8217;t fit your style of music doesn&#8217;t make them crap.<br />
2 &#8211; the hats (both sizes) are figgin amazing. Tight, crisp and controllable. Very close to my A Customs of past&#8230;<br />
3 &#8211; while the blackcoating is not chip-proof, it does look great and adds some visual uniqueness to a set.  I&#8217;ve had many comments from other musicians and also fans on the look of mine. What I think is the coolest thing about the look is that on a dark stage, you can barely notice them, until the band kicks in and I start playing&#8230;childish, yes, but that&#8217;s just me being a guy, lol<br />
4 &#8211;  for the price point of these pieces of bronze/tin, you can beat the cost-to-performance ratio. Granted, they&#8217;re not A Customs (which have to be my favourite general-purpose cymbals).but like I said, for the right kind of setting, these are an economical and viable alternative to the more expensive Z Customs&#8230;</p>
<p>As drummers and musicians, we need to keep in mind that just because something doesn&#8217;t work for us in our own setting or application, doesn&#8217;t make it a bad product. That&#8217;s why Zildjian offers so many varieties &#8211; something for everyone.  I like to keep an open mind when looking at or playing a new piece of gear, and so far that attitude has served me very well in my career. Rock on!!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul-Drums</title>
		<link>http://drummertalk.org/2008/08/11/review-zildjian-pitch-black-cymbals/comment-page-1/#comment-3385</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul-Drums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 06:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jamie is right, I have a couple of the old Z custom cymbals &amp; the pitch blacks sound alot like them. The 20&quot; &amp; 18&quot; crashs are a little thinner. The sound is darer than A custom (compared to my 18&quot; A) but brighter than my 16&quot; Z custom. At first I thought the 22&quot; ride had a great tone, but was worried it wasn&#039;t loud enough. Then I let my buddies kid play them so I could listen to them from the other side &amp; the bell on the ride cuts like a chainsaw! The bell sounds similar to my Ice bell &amp; when I play it across the middle it sounds like my (60&#039;s era Avedis) ping ride. IF you smack the edge w/ the neck of the stick the ride also has a gong quality &amp; rings forever. I do hit the cymbals from underneath on the upstroke alla Gene Krupa/Erice Singer which did cause a chip in the black paint on the edge, but the guy I ordered them from said model airplane paint covers it fine. (He used it on his son&#039;s set.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamie is right, I have a couple of the old Z custom cymbals &amp; the pitch blacks sound alot like them. The 20&#8243; &amp; 18&#8243; crashs are a little thinner. The sound is darer than A custom (compared to my 18&#8243; A) but brighter than my 16&#8243; Z custom. At first I thought the 22&#8243; ride had a great tone, but was worried it wasn&#8217;t loud enough. Then I let my buddies kid play them so I could listen to them from the other side &amp; the bell on the ride cuts like a chainsaw! The bell sounds similar to my Ice bell &amp; when I play it across the middle it sounds like my (60&#8242;s era Avedis) ping ride. IF you smack the edge w/ the neck of the stick the ride also has a gong quality &amp; rings forever. I do hit the cymbals from underneath on the upstroke alla Gene Krupa/Erice Singer which did cause a chip in the black paint on the edge, but the guy I ordered them from said model airplane paint covers it fine. (He used it on his son&#8217;s set.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 10:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I reckon these cymbals are really good! The only down side is that the paint does wear off over time.. I have the cymbal pack and those hats, are amazing! The ride is really, really nice sounding, it kind of sounds like my Z custom ride. The crashes are loud which i like. You can only get good tone from them if you are a hard hitter, like myself. Not a fan of the china though. But overall they are good cymbals!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I reckon these cymbals are really good! The only down side is that the paint does wear off over time.. I have the cymbal pack and those hats, are amazing! The ride is really, really nice sounding, it kind of sounds like my Z custom ride. The crashes are loud which i like. You can only get good tone from them if you are a hard hitter, like myself. Not a fan of the china though. But overall they are good cymbals!</p>
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		<title>By: joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 07:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>White Ddrum and pitch blacks</description>
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		<title>By: joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 07:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>your a mad guy Tom W, exactly what i was thinking</description>
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		<title>By: alex riot</title>
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		<dc:creator>alex riot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 18:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A quick reply to all of these comments (that i&#039;ve read):
The majority of you are for lack of a better word too old. These cymbals are obviously designed for younger metal players and therefore would not suit the genres most of you have said. These are made for heavy-ish rock drummers who love thick sticks and a big sound and these cymbals suit this perfectly. Some of you say that the black colour are child-ish. Thats obviously becuase you have become too old and lost what rock music is all about. It is about playing good music you enjoy with gear that you enjoy and to be honest the entire concept of rock is a bit child-ish but that is why everyone loves it. Rock is becoming free and it that involves looking stupid along the way who cares? I personally salute anyone who buys these cymbals against all of these bias reviews becuase i am certain that they will love them not only becuase of the colour or the sound but the way that it impersonates everything that is good and fun about rock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A quick reply to all of these comments (that i&#8217;ve read):<br />
The majority of you are for lack of a better word too old. These cymbals are obviously designed for younger metal players and therefore would not suit the genres most of you have said. These are made for heavy-ish rock drummers who love thick sticks and a big sound and these cymbals suit this perfectly. Some of you say that the black colour are child-ish. Thats obviously becuase you have become too old and lost what rock music is all about. It is about playing good music you enjoy with gear that you enjoy and to be honest the entire concept of rock is a bit child-ish but that is why everyone loves it. Rock is becoming free and it that involves looking stupid along the way who cares? I personally salute anyone who buys these cymbals against all of these bias reviews becuase i am certain that they will love them not only becuase of the colour or the sound but the way that it impersonates everything that is good and fun about rock.</p>
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		<dc:creator>NLP Zine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Stan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 22:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the ride and china sound average but only if you really strike them hard, however the crash I&#039;ve heard sounds like a hubcap and you would give yourself carpal tunnel hitting the high-hats hard enough to make them sound anything like you would want for most music.  I&#039;m pretty certain Zildjian is pulling the plug on them as the prices have sailed downward in the last few weeks.  In some cases I&#039;m seeing them listed as much as 75% marked down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the ride and china sound average but only if you really strike them hard, however the crash I&#8217;ve heard sounds like a hubcap and you would give yourself carpal tunnel hitting the high-hats hard enough to make them sound anything like you would want for most music.  I&#8217;m pretty certain Zildjian is pulling the plug on them as the prices have sailed downward in the last few weeks.  In some cases I&#8217;m seeing them listed as much as 75% marked down.</p>
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